The charismatic group is generally defined by the psychological elements of its members. They "(1) have a shared belief system, (2) sustain a high level of social cohesiveness, (3) are strongly influenced by the group's behavioral norms, and (4) impute charismatic (or sometimes divine) power to the group or its leadership" (Galanter 4).

Wednesday, June 23, 2004

Joseph Smith's True Life

I've just read of the death of the exalted prophet. Joseph Smith dies June 27th, 1844, "throwing his gun at the assailants and lunging for the second-story window in a vain effort to escape...yelling out the first four words of the Masonic call of distress: 'Oh, Lord my God'" (Abanes 199-201). Before this, he has been through legal (and physical) disputes, moving from state to state to avoid the law.

He was followed because of the common beliefs of many against nineteenth century Christendom. Notions included:
1) every denomination had strayed from the pure teachings of Christ; 2) nearly all clergymen were "wicked hirelings," interested in ministering only for financial gain; and 3) the emerging social order represented the resurrection of evil Babylon (84)

Smith's earliest followers were there because they felt "religiously alienated" (84). They trusted that God had given Joseph the "ability to restore Christianity," but "all these revelations about Joseph also happened to come through Joseph" (85). Early followers placed their trust in the man in order to find peace...

60 Comments:

Blogger jjsmith said...

Hi there. Just starting my own blog, too. Are you aware that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is now the fifth largest Christian denomination in the US, and will soon be fourth? Larger than all faiths and churches, except the Catholic, Baptist, Methodist and Assembly of God! That book describing it as a cult is "old news" - just one of many written during the years which criticize it, but are left wanting. As a 30-year convert who has served in many leadership positions and known many church leaders, I can assure you that the Church is truly lead by Jesus Christ himself. My spiritual experiences would quite surprize you, I suspect. If you seek its truthfulness with a sincere heart, then I would love to help you to learn more. The Holy Spirit will assist you - but you'll have to throw away the cult books and take a more objective look. The writers of those kinds of books have been taught these inaccuracies by ministers of religion who see their flocks leaving in droves and converting to the LDS Church. They're losing members and lots of money. Did you know that the equivalent of more than one congregation a day of Baptists is converting to the LDS Church? I can understand why so many leaders of other faiths are upset. The Baptists even had their national meeting in Salt Lake City a few years ago to convert us. It backfired however. Thousands more of their Faith have now been baptized as Latter-day Saints. Please accept my invitation to learn more, and then you'll learn why so many millions worldwide are now converting every year. God bless you! JJ

10:27 AM  
Blogger Awkward Socks said...

Hi Smith,
Now that I'm back at home, I have time to respond. And if you do read this, I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just going to present the doctrine and do a little comparison. It's posted on July 6th.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting that you brought up the money loss of other churches because of their "flocks" going to LDS. How much money do the LDS rake in each year? I've heard in the past conservative estimates that would certainly place it in the Fortune 100, ...so when will they IPO? I'll buy some stock, it's a good business. But I don't buy the product. :)

My take is that a confused kid either decided to write or was tricked into believing this by a vision created by Satan, but he created a story that becomes easier to sell the longer it "ages". btw, Good feeling is the greatest weapon of Satan - drugs, sex, cheating, even murder [based on the opinion of some serial killers]..all can make you feel good - not really the thing to hang your salvation on.

Oh, and people in the 1820's didn't speak or write like the people in 1611, so what is with all of the ye spake an he hath begotten stuff? It was a translation of Egyptian by an American of NY - or does God prefer Kings English of the 1611 era for some special reason - other than it was the only version of the Bible that young JS ever read and it sounded more credible (ASV wasn't released until 1901..)

Every Mormon I know is a great person, polite, trustworthy, hard working, etc - and the Book of Mormon is a good story, but that is all it is.

Can you judge a religion by the numbers of it's follower? I bet Joseph Smith Jr would have argued that you could not when he started spreading his story..In fact, I bet he'd give you some warning about how the great size shows how twisted and accommodating the message has become... But then again many people follow football, and spend alot of money on it, and claim that watching it makes them feel good... - just my 2 cents

9:09 PM  
Blogger Jessica said...

I like what you said in this entry and in your notes afterward. Good responses.. I'm with you. They give a good sales pitch, but I'm not into buying what they're selling. Check this out.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, so much stuff to read, so many people putting others down. What is this world coming to?? People hurting people. Why don't we just put all this anger down and become more like God wants us to be, love one another.
I'm LDS and proud of it.
Debra

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see how these posts are putting Mormons down. In fact the truth is the most loving thing that can be said. One of my dearest friends is a Mormon and it pains me how misled she is. We are called to test all spirits and examine the scriptures. However, my Mormon friend does not read anything outside of what is recommended and approved by the Mormon church and therefore cannot objectively examine Joseph Smith's 'scriptures'. The Bible teaches us not to trust our flesh and hearts, however Mormonism seems to be based on a spiritual experiences or feelings... a burning of the busom? i think it's called? The problem with that is our unfortunate vulnerablity to Satan's wiles...he specializes in fleshly feelings, even seemingly good spiritual ones. Joseph Smith fell for it and so has every Mormon that has believed in Joseph Smith. It's very unfortunate. God gave us brains, too....and he expects us to use them in conjunction with His infinte wisdom and instruction as revealed in the Holy Bible, which is the inerrant word of God. If we do that faithfully we cannot be led astray by demonic spirits or our own fleshly feelings. But ultimately, if we are truly of His flock, we can never be lost anyway.

8:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This last comment troubles me more than some of the others. How can you say that people who experience a “spiritual feeling” are feeling something from Satan? You know this? I believe in the Bible and I have a much different feeling when I read it than I do when I read most other things (novels, histories, political commentary, ect.) So Satan is tricking me into believing the Bible is a good thing? WOW.

I’m not saying Satan does not use feeling of the flesh to tempt us, but comparing a high from drugs or a sense of euphoria from sex to spiritual feeling from reading a book you may think is the word of God (a comparison also made in an earlier comment) seems a VERY strange comparison to me…..perhaps even a blurring of two things that you-know-who may be interested in making to keep people AWAY spiritual things.

Even though there are some temptations of the flesh stemming from Satan, does that mean that nothing that feels “good,” “right,” or “correct,” can be such? Satan has the monopoly on all things we feel? How is it that God has been out powered by Satan in this arena? I refuse to believe that. And assuming most Christians would make the same refusal, a question then follows: How do we know when a good feeling comes from God and when a good feeling comes from Satan? According to you, it seems if the feeling testifies to another individual about something you agree with (like the Bible), it comes from God. And when a feeling confirms truth to another individual about something you disagree with (Mormonism, for example), it comes from the Devil. Interesting.

Your other comment is that God also expects us to use our minds (not just rely on feelings). Agreed. The problem I have with this is once again you seem to be slighting Mormons and privileging your own position and thought process. I had a good friend in high school who was Mormon. He certainly used his mind to arrive at a conclusion that Mormonism was good for him (even “true” as he would put it). I even went to church with him a time or two. The people I met were not mindless sheep following feelings blindly. In other words, you feel it is important to use your mind and think through a religion (in addition to “feelings,” but your comment seems to situate Mormons in a place where none of them has done that….only….you (I guess) and other people who agree with your conclusions. So only people who agree with your beliefs have thought things through?

Why would the devil lead people into Mormonism when everything they believe in is so good in nature? And why do you feel YOUR feelings and thought processes are so much more enlightened than those who believe differently than you?

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you must consider that in the Book of Mormon 2, 5:23, God is said to have placed ‘the curse of black skin’ upon the Lamanites, in order to make them unattractive to the Nephites. .. . Among the leading Laminites mentioned by name in the Book of Mormon is…Jacob

. . . Racist theology from an irrascible conman. Wonderful.

12:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hahahahahahahaha You all act like little children. Grow up and quit pulling on each others balls!

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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9:06 AM  
Blogger Nathan Corry said...

Many of the previous comments talk about feelings, who's right or wrong, what you think of the Mormons Joseph Smith, ect. I am reminded about what Jesus Christ said himself. John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. As far as feelings are concerned everything that is good that persuades you to believe in God and His son Jesus Christ is of God and is sent forth from the spirit of God.
Their are plenty of things out their that can be easily discerned as evil, and most people who commit sin know they have need of repentance. We will all be judged according to our works, and desires, even for our thoughts. If you will explore the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. You will see that they persuade all people to live a good life.
Their is a scripture in the Book of Mormon that says it very well. 2 Nephi 26:32-33 "And again, the Lord God hath commanded that men should not murder; that they should not lie; that they should not steal; that they should not take the name of the Lord their God in vain; that they should not envy; that they should not have malice; that they should not contend one with another; that they should not commit whoredoms; and that they should do none of these things; for whoso doeth them shall perish.
33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
The Church of Jesus Christs Doctrines are sublime, and the Gospel is for all people black and white. If I know a little about the Mormon religion as it is called. I know that it is unto all people.
God works with people according to their circumstances. He knows us all personally and he knows what will bring us happiness and peace. Many people live their lives without peace in today's world. Heck their is a lot of war out their, but I know the Gospel can bring sincere people peace. It's been my experience that as I learn about the Doctrines of the Gospel, about faith and repentance and forgiveness my life has been blessed. I agree with the person who defined the good feelings they feel while studying the bible. I too have significant and good feelings when I study the Bible, I also have those good feelings when I study the Book of Mormon, I have no doubt that both books have been preserved by God, and they compliment each other extremely well. For those who are sincerely seeking to know truth I have not doubt but God will help them.

4:57 PM  
Blogger Shelley said...

Thank you for letting me join your blog. I am recently trying to "recover" from an experience I had with Mormonism a few months ago. Last March me and my mom got all caught up in the Mormon church and we loved all the attention and compassion we were getting, and we decided to get baptized. We didn't know anything about the church at the time, no one really does when they get baptized. But one day about a month after we joined, my mom was doing some research and showed me very disturbing things. WE didn't know that the Mormon church has a very racist past, and that the Book of Mormon has very racist passages. If we had of read the Book of Mormon before we joined, we never would have joined. Plus there is a lot of polygamy in the doctrines and i got really upset at relief society the other day because in the lesson they said polygamy will resume in the next life, but it's God's will that it is not to occur on earth anymore. So if I live a good life, my reward is the humiliation of being a polygamous wife in heaven?! And we didn't hear a word about polygamy before we got baptized. Turns out Joseph Smith married several teen-age girls, and that 11 of his wives were already married to other men at the time Joseph married them. Anyway, me and my mom feel betrayed - I also feel very very stupid. I now know why Karl Marx calls religion the "opium of the masses." I just can't wait to graduate next year so I can go to college and get out of this town. My mom wants to leave too. I don't really blame the Mormon people for this, they are blissfully ignorant and never do research outside church published books. But I do feel very decieved by the Mormon church. So much for the "one and only true church on earth and that Joseph Smith was a prophet." I'm actually very pissed, feel really let down, and need to leave this town to forgive myself for not doing my research before joining. My math teacher says I'm far from alone, that most converts leave. Boy do I know why. I can't wait to get out of this town.

12:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shelley I don't know where you got your information from, but from the sound of it your a little offended. It sounds like your quite heated actually. I disagree that Joseph Smith married women who were already married. There was an incident with Orson Pratts wife and Bennet, and she made accusations that Joseph Smith proposed to her while Orson was serving a mission, but from the Joseph Smith papers project researching the Journals it strongly indicates that Bennet and Sarah Pratt had an affair, and well you might say Sarah wanted to cover it all up, and accuse Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was no foreigner to false accusations, and he still is no foreigner to them. Also, and I really don't want to agrivate anyone by trying to clarify my position on these issues, about plural marriage. Imagine going through life never having the opportunity to marry. In gods eyes would that be a fair situation. God created man male and female. (Gen 1:26-27) In an eternal sense would it be fair for a righteous woman to be without the blessings of marriage? I know several people who are not married, other who have been through a divorce, and I know the happiness that can come when a man and a woman live the gospel, and are united with an eternal commitment in marriage. There is a scripture in Isaiah 4:1 that illistraits this principal. "It speaks about a day when seven women shall take hold of one man", that he might "take away their reproch" now In thinking about eternity. I can't imagine happiness being alone with out a partner to share it with. As Jeffrey R. Holland put it. Heaven wouldn't be heaven without his wife.On a historical point of view, if we look back into time, and it is hard for us today to grasp the context of their lives and situations, but both Abraham and Jacob had plural wives, so did king David, and Solomon, and many of the kings in that age of time. They also had servants and slaves. Because of the day in which we live it is hard for us to understand how God can sustain that, but he did. They didn't enjoy the abundant lives we live today, and many times one man who could provide and survive would have many people follow him. Anyway these are just a few things to think about, before you take up arms against the church. Joseph Smith once said before you embrace the gospel you can remain on neutral ground, but after you have been baptized and have come to feel of the truth through the power of the Holy Ghost. You are removed from neutral ground forever, you can either fight against the truth or embrace it, and that goes with any principal of truth. Everything that invites and intices to do good and to love God and believe in Jesus Christ is good and comes from God, but that which invites to do evil and serve the devil or hatred is not of God but is evil. Sincerly I don't mean to cause any contention here today I just want to express my testimony about the subject. If you want to find out more about your racism questions visit. www.blacklds.org That's one thing I love about the church is that it isn't trying to hide from the truth, but we are counseled not to live lives of doubt either. I hope you find that which brings you peace. Before I sought for answers though I would ask God. I have a strong testimony of prayer. He can bring peace, and soften hearts. That was the main difference between Nephi and Leman and Lemuel. Nephi asked and the Lord softened his heart. Laman and Lemuel didn't even ask, but said that God didn't make those things known unto them.

1:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to jj smith. mormonism is a dangerous cxult. ts several times plagrizes the bible. i was beliving yalls book the book of mormon might be true, but then i went to www.biblebeilvers.com & read a article called the truth about the mormons. a paragraph from the artiOther False Teachings

The Mormons deny the Trinity and the existence of a literal burning Hell, yet they promote polytheism (many gods), baptism for the dead, and the notion that Jesus and Satan were originally spirit brothers! Friend, make no mistake about it--Mormonism is a dangerous cult. In the eyes of man, the Mormons seem very respectable, but the light of God's word reveals the true wolves behind the sheep clothing. Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." (Mat. 7:15) Don't look at their nice families, their clean-cut hair, and their friendly "missionaries." LOOK AT THEIR DOCTRINES! (I Tim. 4:1)

There is no way to cover all of the Mormon heresies in a tract this size. For further reading, we recommend our publication, The Bible Believer's Handbook of Heresies, which sheds light on many of the heresies being taught today in the name of our Saviour Jesus Christ.

don't destroy leave before its too late & you go to hell. im catgholic & we beileve we're the ONLY church, u should become catholic join a true religon.ur religon is lying to u if u cant see it ur dumber than a nut. if not catholic baptis, protestant at least they actuaally bewilve in true things. im not any of them but as now ive learned as long as ur not mormon well u ac tually have a shot a going to heaven if ur mormon u have satin in u & are going straight to hell. hey im tellin the truth if u are angry with its because the truth hurts and u dont want rto beilve it. u cant handle it. don't judge a book by its cover. true saying. a mormons cover looks nice and wonderful and can be judged as a christian relgion. don't judge the mormons by their cover. they're far from christians. look at tMNY religion the catholic religion. for once beilve in the truth and not some joseph smith who was hated by many and ran from the law. catholics we didnt haVE ANYONE doing what joseph smith did. no chfristian does those things. u cant be christian and do those thingds. eveerything yall beilves contrids ctas christanity ius wrong & hey if ur gonna make ur own don't plagarize & steal r book the reaL BOOK OF JESUS THE only bookj. the holy bible. u lie and plagarize and really hurt people. thats not chyristians and we christians WILL NOT support a religion as disgusting and sinful as yours. if u dont change then u brell satins slaves foe all enternity. from A DIEHARD!!! catholic and christian which mormons and their religion will NEVER be a part of.

4:45 AM  
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4:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Joseph and his many wives inc. those already married - go to family search (church run Family history website) and see the truth for yourself. The Church would not have 'false' and 'incorrect' family history listed. So in short - He was a polygamist, even though he denied it. He committed polyandry and DID marry other mens wives. Also check out D&C 132 - He practically forces Emma to do what he says. The church has some good aspects and principles but is not the 'one true church' - There is no such thing - Catholicsim is just as dubious as the rest FYI. People have freedom of religion and speech so let them do, say and think what they will. In the words of Shakespear - "To thine own self be true." Do what is right for YOU. Peace!

(Anonymous as don't have account name - not because I'm hiding either.)

11:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mormons just like all religions are flawed and not everyone will agree with what they have to say. Religion gives everyone the opportunity to believe in a higher power which provides hope and salvation. Religion gives people a reason to live and something to look forward too. As much as there are mistakes to pick out in mormonism there are things to pick out about catholics, jews, or muslims. Someone that believes in a church believes everything is true about it so there is no need to argue with someone about their faith. It is up to each individual to seek out what they believe.

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every morman wants to believe its the "true church" because its been nailed in there heads. Its not offensive, its the ultimate truth! i can't imagine still being in that cult a sick twisted pervert started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12:41 AM  
Blogger Donovan said...

I just can't understand where other Christians get off denigrating Mormonism. Speak ill of religions if you are an atheist and value none of them, but for one person who belongs to a crazy Christian sect to speak ill of another person in a different crazy Christian sect is hypocrisy in its purest form.

Also, how many people follow your crazy belief system is not a good indicator of said belief system's veracity. Christians need to rid themselves of the numbers argument, because they lose when they utilise it. There are now more Muslims than Christians, does that not make Islam the true religion by such an argument?

7:20 PM  
Blogger smellanie said...

i am in a convert family of 4. my mom, father, and sister. it has been about a year and a half and we were VERY involved with the church. we brought a lot of more people excited about the church! but...as time went on and we learned more and more about the church and church history, we we now taking our names out of the LDS church records. it all started when my parents got their endowments. through all the temple prep classes, and MANY good friend going with them to the temple, they got a TERRIBLE feeling during the whole ceremony of whatever. it is ridiculous and of a dark spirit. apparently a lot of people get freaked out but are told to keep going and you will "learn to love the temple."

my mom said "do i want to listen to MAN and keep going? no, i am going to pray to Jesus Christ. and if he wants me to go into that temple again, i will."

so she prayed and found scriptures to back up why she should not go again.

i have a blog on http://smellmeldotcom.blogspot.com/

read on that to find other reasons.

God bless you,
Melanie

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Joey Smith said...

Mormonism is a cult doctrine. Then again so is Catholicism.

The RCC is a cult. So is the LDS.

You cannot get to God by following men. Rather, you must follow Jesus Christ alone.

Most from Christianity are a sham. They're suckers for cults.

There's a huge difference between Christians (cult members who are member -- belong -- to a church) and Followers of Christ.

Followers of Christ experience Christ daily by having a personal relationship with Christ through action and not by listening to preachers, ministers, priests and pastors.

Church goers who listen to such men cannot get to God.

Awaken to this truth. Read your NT. Find out.

8:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i do not believe in either catholic LDS, or any religion but i still believe in god and LDS has many brainwashing tactics such as: Telling Individuals if they do not get baptized and sealed in a temple that they will be seperated from thier families. they also say they worship jesus but they also seem to bring Joesph smith up more than him. LDS church leaders prohibit the members to read of any other scriptures other than the church provides,(read athe REAL king james bible[the mormon one is edited so not that version] .....people should think for them selfs instead of letting others think for them, and/or trust fact and real knowledge rather than 'feelings'
feelings can be misleading and i have learnt this the hard way


so thats my 2 cents worth

12:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting Blog. I have been researching the history of Joseph Smith and the founding of the Mormon Church. It dumbfounds me how so many educated people can be so mislead by one man.On the surface the church seems to follow Christ, but in researching I have found that they do not follow the Christ of the Bible. There doctrine has Jesus as being married to Mary, Martha and Mary Magdelene. Had children with them and that there prophets can trace ther lineage back directly to Jesus. They also believe God was a man who worked his way to Godhood and that they can also become Gods. Jesus said that in heaven we are neither married or given in marriage yet they teach you are eternally married. I could go on and on but this blog isn't the forum for that. There is nothing wrong with teaching love and forgiveness, but a whole church is being mislead by false doctrine based on the lies of one man. To me that is so sad. The JST translation was changed by Joseph Smith to support his teachings and has been proven to be totally wrong according to original greek and hebrew scriptures. Pray for the eyes of the people to be opened to the truth and the deception of this cult.

1:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was raised Mormon and I am now a Christian, It took a long time for me to realize and understand that what I was taught from birth literally, was false. I thought that I had to repent of all my sins or I was not going to be with God. I did not understand that all I have to do is believe in God and devote myself to him. The Mormons DO believe in their prophet and put ALOT of emphasis on Church teachings and principles and the word of the prophet.

They base everything they do on the church not on God. I now go to God for my guidance, not the Mormon Church. Mormons, put their prophet and church ahead or at very least even with God, this is making and worshiping idols. Shame.

Also one of the articles of Faith that I grew up with says, " We believe the bible to be true as far as it is translated correctly" I grew up thinking the Book of Mormon was the work of God and the Bible was true when it went along with the Book of Mormon.

Say what you will, I know by experience and knowledge, the Mormon church is the most cleverest and scariest form of evil and it has lead many people away from God, including my family. I pray for all of them that they will know God and not the Mormon church. And YES, Joseph Smith was a sexual deviate and a con artist, Mormons should take the time to investigate him and not just what the Mormon church puts out about him, the true history of his life and his families. Very nasty man.

2:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mormons as the obvious Mormon stated above, believe you will be judged for your works? This is contrary to all Christian belief, I now Know I will be accepted by God as I have accepted him and I was forgiven of my sins when Jesus died on the cross. I cannot be perfect and do everything right or always "choose the right", because I was made imperfect. I CAN love God and follow him :)

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately persons who are Mormon are told not to read any materials out side of those approved ny the church "leaders".They are afraid of their members finding out the truth about Joseph Smith and Church History. He completely takes the deity away from God and Jesus by his doctrinal teachings. The Bible says beware of false prophets who come in sheeps clothing but are wolves in disguise.The more I research the more in awe I am at people who just accept what they are taught without seeking for truth on their own.

5:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought I'd say something. I grew up in a very "up-tight" Mormon household. I believe the religion has nearly driven my mother insane and has cut my dad's balls off. Yea, I "believed" in the religion for the first 16 years of my life, i was even a Eagle Scout and considered to come from a "prestigious" Mormon family. But at 16 years-old I was able to see the ignorance of trying to defend this relgion or even follow it. This was an extremely hard step for me coming from a devote mormon family being the oldest of 6 kids. My biggest reason for leaving was the fact that I felt helpless to leave the church because I was born into it and I was pressured so relentlessly to stay, because of their ignorant belief that my moral standing is their responsibility and because they know soo much about what happens when you die and don't obey mormon doctrine. But i was brave and left the church and I have never felt "realer with myself" than ever before, I'm nicer, happier, have real priorities and the best thing of all is that I know now that this life isn't about pleasing other people or institutions like parents or the Church of Ladder Day Saints. Because my parents and the church will never be satisfied and the closer I get to satisfying them, the further I get from satisfying my soul and my true purpose, which is preparing myself to pass-on to the next realm by being christ-like and also by strengthening my spirit with learning truth, loving others, loving who I am and living a life of balance and progress. This is another common sense thing, no way can you be an extreme christian and still lead a balanced healthy life. With all the pressures that come with this religion, it's contradictory to the purpose of balance and getting in-tune with God. I saw many "Bad or Good" mormons and almost no "middle-mormons" Members I have found have to be all-in, this is all part of the huge social stresses you'll feel when you try to be around members, things are very black and white for them, and don't be surprised if you find them judging the hell out of you for not being "like-them". Joe Smith is a regular man, don't fool yourself, their is a million things to believe in nowadays, be strong do your homework and be real with yourself. I have however seen the church "work for people", life is hard, some people really do run with the church well because they both need each other and the person gets to feel "greater than thou". But my guess is that an extremist "christian" religion is a not good fit for 99.999% of us. I had a great time with the Religion until I grew a brain. Its 2011 we should really come together and take out all the intellectual "trash", by just spreading common sense until it finally clicks with everyone. Thanx for reading,

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know Warren Jeffs, the FLDS leader that just got life in prison? He's your modern day Joseph Smith.

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read that the mormon church has made over 40,000 changes to their mormon book since it was made until now. That to me raises a red flag, do you really want to base your faith on this cult? alot of people here in utah convert to mormonism to fit in, because the churches look nice, because it mentions jesus,because they want to seem more american, so they abondon their catholic or protestant faiths to fit in with mormons locals in the area and to follow a fake prophit, you know, joseph smith was no different than muhammad. liars, to get personal benefits for themselves. there is a ton of proof that joseph smith was a fake, google it up, and I still see mormons commenting on here defending their faith when what they believe in has 40,000 clean ups to polish their image and not look so jacked up. the they will go to third world countries and convert the poor, build a few schools and temples here and there, and bam, now they will have more followers in oh lets just say guatemala or kenya, thats what they did to samoa, and now you have a ton of polynesians here in utah, because they were brain washed back home, they build a few schools here and there, and obvieously you will have people eating right out of your hands. money talks, its sad that they use christ though, for financial interest.

7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to make a correction, its actually 4 thousand changes that they have made to the mormon book not 40,000. But even so, 40 thousand is still a ton of changes to make to a book. I read in the bible in the book of revelation that, it basically said that nobody should make any changes to the bible, or add anything to it, and if someone did, they will basically be sent to hell. god is perfect, and does not lie, so if you believe joseph smith's fairy tale book, its like if you thing that god lies. So what this joseph smith guy did, was not just add some stuff, he invented his whole book, and I know that this cartoon is offensive to mormons, but it actually explains things really how they happened. if you go on youtube, type in south park, mormons, and its hilarious, because its actually how they think. And the thing about how they thought that black people were not worthy of being mormon, and somewhere in the 70's they all of a sudden said that god said, ok blacks are now allowed, in my opinion, there shouldnt be any black people being mormon in the first place because of this. And god would never be racist with any group. And god first of all, would not have chosen a corrupt, polygamist, liar like joseph. I'm pretty sure the problem must have been women, he probably couldn't get a girlfriend, so he must have thought, oh if I invent that god told me I have to marry more that one wife, then I'll have women by the multitudes on my hands. So that is how he finally got his first woman, the end. So mormons, study up the real history of what really happened in your church, and when you do, dont read any LDS approved books, because they have 4 thousand changes made to them. Look up the real old school history. Then you can convert to a real protestant church, or Catholic church or something actually real. Also try to stay away from jahovas witness, they are pretty much as screwed up as the mormons are.

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know. The Mormon church is so extremely fake and funny, I can't believe Human beings can buy into this. Joseph Smith was a horny, Liar who wanted to have an excuse to have many wives. Back when they started the fake cult, they said that Polygamy was a must! and now they have stopped this. That means they're contradicting they're fake ass leaders standards. If Joseph Smith and Brigham Young Were alive today they would be in trial and would face jail time. Can't believe they built a University, BYU! lol. Also the Bible Clearly states.. 1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." God doesn't make mistakes, he is perfect and according to the Mormon's he had to give Smithy his tablets kinda like if god was saying, "oops, i made a mistake but this Oughtta fix it". They contradict the bible and still have the nerve to call themselves, "Christians". Fake and false to the core! I know a fake Real Estate guy, Mark Maxfield in UT. He even became a Bishop in the fake cult, and he is a racist (racist remarks in real estate school), and a hipocryte, just cares about money. You could see the fakeness in his greedy face. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE AND SEE THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS FAKE BLAPHEMOUS CULT!

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this one goes to Donovan who posted a comment somewhere up here, first of all, other christians including catholics, bash on mormons, because they are not a christian religion, I know that the title on the front of the church is the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, but it is not a christian religion, do your homework man. what you said that there are more muslims than christians, its probably true, i havent looked it up, but the muhammad guy also has a dirty past, just like joseph smith. Did you know that muhammad married a 6 year old girl because supposedly god told him so. He was also a polygamist, and a dirty crook. When he died he was eaten by dogs. There is alot more to the but Donovan do your homework ok. Jesus is the only one that is the real god, there is only good things to talk about him, he was the true king of kings. And little donovan, you best start believing in jesus, there is a hell, and you dont want to go there.

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean I'm catholic, but I have respect of other protestant churches like baptist, evangelicals, prespyterian etc, but mormons are not christians. Like if you were to go back in time 500 years. If you wanted to be a christian, you had to be a catholic because everything else didn't exist yet. That is where the protestants got their bible, although they took out 4 books from the bible, that are in the catholic bible today, they still are on the right track, they follow the bible, that is where the mormons and the johovas witness fall into the category of not being christians, because they have changed and twisted things to support their own twisted theory. So even though catholics and protestants have differences and sometimes bash on each other, we are on the same team, follow the same god, and bible. except for mormon and jahova witness who are not at all christians.

5:50 PM  
Blogger random said...

i too was bought up in the church and stopped going when i was a teen im now in my mid 20's and the missonaries come around every week trying to convince me to return. so i have been researching and what i have found on joesph smith and the history of the mormon seems flawed there doesnt seem to be any real proof to back it up, even says there was a leader of the church that spent years of his own time (aricoligist) excuse the spelling that said he searched and found nothing. the book talks about a river which never exsisted which is and always was a desert. it talks about animals which hadnt even come into the country till many years later, and then to talk about black people being wicked???? WTF is up with that but then changing their minds in 1978 allowing them to do their presthood. where is the truth about gods book is there one ?

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cant believe anyone would actually want to become a god....I dont think you can get more sinfull then that.

4:46 PM  
Blogger Deuteronomy 4:2 said...

I live in a small town in Idaho. There are many mormans here. I feel one of the many reasons mormanism is growing is because of the pressure they put on kids. At my school they always push kids to be morman. When an entire community is morman and you are born into it you dont have much of a choice. Mormans count how many people have been to their church not the people who actuly beleive. they say 'o we have so many members', but i can tell you that many of my freinds who are morman say my parents make me be morman and they always wish they could go to my church. My freinds tell me that at the morman church when there is affairs or bad things happeen they try to cover it up.

Whenever i ask a kid who is morman why he/she follows the book of morman. They say in exact words (It is an add on to the bible) asked to 3 morman teens. same answer for all of them. then i tell them did you know in the bible they say not to add on to the bible. then basicly they get very mad. and say u r a blastphemer. These kids of the morman youth are being brainwashed into thinking that if they follow their rules and their book they will go to heaven. wrong, its only threw jesus will we be saved. BYU Brainwashed Youth University.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who claim a Christian would never lie with more than one woman, you all need to read the bible. There are several instances in the old testament where we find God's people lying with more than one woman even in their own family. We also find God's people lying, such as when Abraham lies about Sarah being his wife in order to save himself. Gain knowledge before you argue. I'm not saying I agree with the Mormons but I certaintly can not disprove or would care to disprove any of their Doctrines. I am convicted in the fact that you must study and gain full knowledge (from actual Mormons) before you have the right to judge them or what they believe just as you should do for any Protestant church or other religion outside of Christianity. The fact of the matter is, Mormons are Christians.... They believe in Jesus Christ, in his birth, sinless life, death, and ressurection. They believe this as well as that atonement in Christ gives you eternal life. In any CHRISTIAN church you find this basic principle.

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who claim a Christian would never lie with more than one woman, you all need to read the bible. There are several instances in the old testament where we find God's people lying with more than one woman even in their own family. We also find God's people lying, such as when Abraham lies about Sarah being his wife in order to save himself. Gain knowledge before you argue. I'm not saying I agree with the Mormons but I certaintly can not disprove or would care to disprove any of their Doctrines. I am convicted in the fact that you must study and gain full knowledge (from actual Mormons) before you have the right to judge them or what they believe just as you should do for any Protestant church or other religion outside of Christianity. The fact of the matter is, Mormons are Christians.... They believe in Jesus Christ, in his birth, sinless life, death, and ressurection. They believe this as well as that atonement in Christ gives you eternal life. In any CHRISTIAN church you find this basic principle.

7:33 PM  
Blogger eric said...

they were not Christians yet in the old testament. we are bound by the new testament since christ arrived.

4:56 AM  
Blogger fred grant said...

the lds church cult had me for 45 years.but i took the sack of my head when i saw the prophet of god break the law of the land and hire criminals illegal mexican to work on his farms and his members did the same.then i started checking and found the true history..lds church is about lies sex... money,,,your money in there pockets..but now people are learning and leaving in great numbers every year god bless americap s you get nothing from the church you dont pay for..married temple tithing for one year first same for kids geting married..its all about geting your money in there pocket..

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/

For those of you who doubt Joseph Smith married women who were married you should have a look at this information. You should also know that the LDS church does not deny that Joseph Smith had many wives, some of whom were married to living men. The Church explains that there is no proof that Joseph had sexual relations with them, which may be true. But that fact that Joseph would send men away on missions to foreign lands, and then marry their wives while they were gone should be a great concern to all members of the LDS faith. This information in not denied by the church. The records of these marriages are available in church records, which is why the church does not deny them. And we know also that Brigham Young also married several women who were married to other living men. And we know he had sex with them because of all the children he had.

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Polyandry

This is the site church officials led me to when I asked for their official position on Joseph Smiths wives.

10:35 AM  
Blogger james boord said...

jjsmith this is for you how does someone "" get saved

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the lds church is loosing lots of members now..but just like my daughter she has the sack pulled down around her hesad till she cant see anything,,tipical morman giving her life and money to the cult and wont listen to or do any resaerch at all genuwine good morman

9:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are mormons not getting martyred for their faith like Christians in the middle east. The first commandment in the old testament is Thy Shall not worship no other gods, and the mormons seem to give more glory to joseph smith than Jesus Christ, and one more thing Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins not joseph smith. He died trying to save himself.

12:25 AM  
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9:43 PM  
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10:54 PM  
Blogger zhirong wang said...

i have seen many unti Mormon information on the web.

they all have their point of view to stand and support their reasons to oppose Mormon, but here are some questions i would like to ask if any of you can answer?

is bible 100% true and pure as it was, ( what i mean is that all books of bible, not bible as whole book)

2 each individual book of bible has their own author, but when all those books were assembled together to form bible, those scholars who in charge in
Selecting all gathered writings, did they make right choice? Because all those scholars are not prophets of god, they did all those work by their own hand as human being, therefor, mistake may happened. That is why catholic have apocryphal in their bible, because they are not sure if they are of some of them are words of god.

3 catholic once was a powerful church in the world, yet, they were doing many things that not is taught in the bible,
Such as spend money can buy off the sins!! By any chance, they have changed or take away few or more parts of bible's information that we don't know, therefor, they can do things they like legally. that is why we had Martin Luther started religious reform, yet he was hunted by Roman catholic because what he did.

12:01 AM  
Blogger zhirong wang said...

4 why did he do it, if bible never be changed or taught in right way from the beginning, why martin luther did it?

5 dead sea event, we all know now, and there are all books of old testament that we have on the bible ,but also have books that the bible which we don't have, why?
did scholars forget them or they put them in the apocryphal, or it had been taken away or changed by early corrupted roman catholic?

6. this question i always like to ask, when Jesus on the earth, his own chosen people don't believe him, even killed him, he told his chosen people that i am the son of god whom be taught on old testament by all the prophets.
yet , his people denied him and killed him on cross.

7. now , another book of god that god have prepared for us long time ago , and brought it to us now by his chosen man at our last day, and yet, all those who claiming believe GOD and Jesus chose to deny it, again just like Jews did Jesus long time ago!

8. why people believe bible so much and believe it is a pure and no fault book from god, but as we believe book of Mormon have same value as bible ,then be consider as fool man?

9 History can be changed if some one want to discredit someone by writing and creating fake documents, but to us , those fake documents may become a solid evidence to against Mormon.

10. English is not my first language, i am sure there are many mistake, but i believe i have expressed my point of view.

11. if a man marry more wife is wrong as Lord said in new testament, one man should have one wife, then all those prophet who had many wives in past should not be prophet and should not be trusted even the boos they wrote , because they have more than one wife which against GOD teaching.
but yet we all accept that they are prophets of god, but can not take Mormon prophet have more than one wife! why?


11. at last, i want to share my testimony for LDS church.
i pray about the book of Mormon and i had my own vision which i saw angle form heaven came down to me and holding two books on each hand of his, and said to me believe them , and they are all books of god believe it.

of cause, there are more in the vision, but i don't want to share yet.

i had no believe before i knew bible, but when what bible is i find out there are many church group on the wold that using same bible but teaching same or similar or completed opposite information. Why? GOD’s teaching should be one meaning, cannot b be two, so who is right and who is wrong!

Many early Mormons were killed, women, children, farmer, old man, they did nothing wrong but chose to believe what they think is the truth of god, they all nice man and women, but why they got killed? Do they have right or permission from god to kill? yet at that time, they all believe American is a free land, free life style, free speech free believe, but ironically, Mormons got killed because what they believe, where is the freedom they claime

12:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A pervert joined the Mormon church haw do you no that is true I no people can sin then repent and can be forgiving that is the whole point of Jesus Christ Atonement.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous albert grant said...

why does the lds church allow sexual predirers to be in charge of the boy scouts and rape and molest them.they say god choose them to be leaders threw the bishop but some times its the bishop doing the molesting..its a false cult after your money and control your life.boggs should have exstermanated all of them

2:11 PM  
Anonymous boyd k pecker said...

please make out your check and give it to the bishop..the church needs the money because so many people are leaving the church after learning the true history that the tithing is way down and the missinarys cant convert anybody cause they look up the church history on the net and wont join

2:21 PM  
Anonymous Destiny said...

I was an ex-Buddhist, then I became Christian after I dreamed saw Jesus Christ. No body can convert me, many including Mormons tried but they failed miserably. I believed in Gospels taught in the Bible contains Old and New Testaments.
My GOD in the Bible is completely different from Muhammad and Joseph' Gods, regardless the two tried to change or add more stuffs that's not in the Bible.
I don't care Muhammad and Smith did or do to their cults, or who believed what not, or how much money they offered me, my GOD: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE.
My GOD was not a man, HE was Almighty GOD who created the Universe including those aliens that Smith contacted through his channels. I was also contacted by an unknown person (no one saw her but me) when I was young, and I knew nothing about the extraterrestrial, until I am adult. She told me about my past, present and my future. She knew everything about my childhood.If I were Venusian in my past life, still I believe in my GOD in the Bible. I don't care about my past life, but this life, I knew my GOD. Jesus is my Lord, my GOD and my Savior. Many million Muslims around the world dreamed saw my GOD, and they followed Him regardless persecutions. I too follow my only GOD forever and ever, no matter how many claimed themselves as messenger of God or prophets of gods or being a 2nd coming in Miami, and 2nd coming in Australia, in Russia... etc., my GOD is REAL GOD who rules and reigns over this infinite Universe.
I Glory to HIS Name (The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit = ONE GOD).


Peace and Love with all of you

Destiny

4:03 AM  
Anonymous Destiny said...

My above Testimony is only for me, I am not trying to convert any soul no way. The reason I shared my story a little bit because I saw many people talked about their prophets and their gods, so I decided to share mine a little bit.
Sorry there're typographical errors, but I am sure you can understand what I was trying to make.

Btw: my Lord Jesus Christ was a co-Creator of the Universe (John 1:1-3), and (Colossians 1:16), thus He also created Satan or Lucifer.
But Satan loves to say that he is 1/2 brother of GOD.

Muhammad claimed to meet angel Gabriel, and Smith claimed to meet Moroni. Their angels forced them to have many wives. Muhammad had so many wives. He took his step son's wife, and he married a 6 years old but he slept with her until she was 9.
Smith had so many wives, among them were the young girls and the wives of others. He claimed if he did not have many wives his angels will kill him.
Each side claimed to have Jesus. Muhammad called Jesus Saint Issa. They have their own gods and their own Jesus, and their own revelation.
And both of them ended up dead. Muhammad died from poisoning, and Smith died while in jail by mob. He was jailed for practicing poligamy. Their angels, their gods and their own Jesus did not help or save rstSoCthem and they were not resurrected nor exalted like the Lord Jesus Christ.

5:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Muslims worship Muhammad, the adulterer and child molester.

Mormons worship Joseph Smith, the adulterer and child molster.

666 members worship Jose Luis in Miami, Florida. He claimed he is Lucifer the 2nd son of mighty God. He has millions follow him.

Australian new cult members worship Allan J. Miller. Allan claimed he was Jesus incarnated to be Allan to teach new gospels that he did not finish 2000 years ago. Millions around the world follow him.

Russian new Jesus named Torop is being worshiped by his followers. Said he is God's son (2nd coming). He was a policeman, then unemployed. All of the sudden he started to have a revelation and knew that he was Jesus Christ.

More...

6:02 AM  
Blogger William Hollyfield said...

there should be NO.. denominations, Christians and that's it God, Jesus, and the Holy Sprit, is that not what all denominations worship so don't put a name on it, like Catholic, protestions,Baptist, Ect,, stop the madness back in the day we were all just Christians, no other names,just Christians so then were all equall,this way and cant put other Church"s down,, were loosing the real picture, God Jesus and the Holy Spirit,the true reason, just follow the ten commandants, love God,Jesus,and the Holy Spirit and all will be good,,Willy

7:41 PM  

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